43-38568 Little Davey II

Object Number - UPL 23206 - B-17 43-38568 ditched in the River Deben, 20 February 1945. Eight out of the ten airmen on board perished. The first known crew to fly this aircraft...

Delivered Cheyenne 18/8/44; Hunter 27/8/44; Grenier 8/9/44; Assigned 860BS/493BG Debach 11/9/44;

Crashed on take off for Nuremburg 20/2/45 with Fred Stindt (8KIA 2 Returned to Duty), crashed River Deben at Ramsholt, Skf., UK;

Flight engineer/top turret gunner: Jewel Haynes was rescued by fisherman Arthur Hunt and Arthur Reeve, when the unconscious Haynes was floating by and taken to village pub. First aid assistance was provided in the "Arms" by local David Ransby, where both survivors revived, before RTD. Salvaged.

Research by Jeff Coleman: (Corrected by 493rd BG Museum archives, Debach.)
B-17 43-38568 took off from the 493rd Bomb Group’s Base at Debach near Woodbridge at 9.14am heading for Nuremburg Germany; immediately after take-off No 3 engine caught fire.

The pilot 1st Lieutenant Frederick E Stindt feathered the prop and extinguished the fire, but according to the pilot the engine fire quickly resumed and the right wing also began to burn. His course took him over Woodbridge so he had no opportunity to dump his bomb load.

His only hope was to ditch the plane in the River Deben, in shallow water. He managed to follow the River Deben searching for a suitable spot, which turned out to be a point almost opposite the quay at Ramsholt.

Sadly the waters were deeper than he thought and the plane immediately sank in eighteen feet of water, completely submerged only the tail fin remaining visible.

The aircraft was carrying a bomb load of 12 x 250lb General purpose bombs and 2 x 500lb incendiaries, and 2,700 gallons of fuel. Only the pilot and engineer Top Sergeant Jewel K Haynes survived.

Investigations into the crash showed that the engine caught fire because of mechanical failure. The bodies of the other crewmen, with the exception of the co-pilot and the radio operator, were recovered from the plane by divers. The co-pilots body was later recovered downstream, and the radio operator was found entangled by his parachute harness to the horizontal stabilizer of the aircraft.

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Units served with

The insignia of the 493rd Bomb Group.
  • Unit Hierarchy: Group
  • Air Force: Eighth Air Force
  • Type Category: Bombardment

People

  • Military/Civilian/Mascot: Military
  • Nationality: American
  • Unit: 493rd Bomb Group 860th Bomb Squadron
  • Service Numbers: 36897484
  • Highest Rank: Staff Sergeant
  • Role/Job: Ball Turret Gunner
  • Military/Civilian/Mascot: Military
  • Nationality: American
  • Unit: 493rd Bomb Group 861st Bomb Squadron
  • Service Numbers: O-808940
  • Highest Rank: Lieutenant
  • Role/Job: Pilot
  • Military/Civilian/Mascot: Military
  • Nationality: American
  • Unit: 493rd Bomb Group 860th Bomb Squadron
  • Service Numbers: 36784457
  • Highest Rank: Staff Sergeant
  • Role/Job: Tail Gunner
  • Military/Civilian/Mascot: Military
  • Nationality: American
  • Unit: 493rd Bomb Group 860th Bomb Squadron
  • Service Numbers: 37566186
  • Highest Rank: Technical Sergeant
  • Role/Job: Radio Operator
  • Military/Civilian/Mascot: Military
  • Nationality: American
  • Unit: 493rd Bomb Group 860th Bomb Squadron
  • Service Numbers: 11139819
  • Highest Rank: Sergeant
  • Role/Job: Waist Gunner

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Events

Event Location Date Description

Crashed

River Deben, United Kingdom 20 February 1945

Revisions

Date17 Dec 2019 13:00:36
ContributorDarren Jelley
Sources

493rd BG Archives

Date14 Dec 2019 18:48:19
ContributorDarren Jelley
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from personal documentation of members of the 493rd BG
held by the 493rd BG Museum, Debach.
www.493bgdebach.co,uk

Date14 Dec 2019 18:45:43
ContributorDarren Jelley
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From original documentation of the incident
493rd BG Archives

Date20 Nov 2019 20:14:57
ContributorDarren Jelley
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corrections made to bomb load and details of failure.
details taken from original mission documents

493rd BG Archives

Date20 Nov 2019 20:12:40
ContributorDarren Jelley
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corrections made to bomb load and details of failure.
details taken from original mission documents

493rd BG Archives

Date20 Nov 2018 12:55:41
ContributorDarren Jelley
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removed association to name Little Davey II to the incident on the River Deben. The name was removed from the aircraft two months prior to this incident

493rd BG Archives

Date11 Apr 2018 18:12:02
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493rd BG Archives Debach Airfield Museum

Date10 Apr 2018 16:26:04
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493rd BG Archives Debach Airfield Museum

Date1 Mar 2017 15:28:49
ContributorJeff Coleman
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Date21 Nov 2016 10:31:23
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Date24 Aug 2016 14:07:43
ContributorLucy May
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Research carried out by Jeff Coleman.

Date27 Sep 2014 18:41:30
ContributorAAM
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Dave Osborne, B-17 Fortress Master Log

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